According to the New Map of the Middle East Turkey will be losing a large portion of its territory … how do people feel about this? Especially now that Iran is saying that it has documents showing that the US is backing the Kurdish terrorists
My take on what is happening
“Creating the map of the New Middle East will cost 200 million lives: Turkey enters Iraq War”
www.chycho.com/
“Iran says documents show U.S. backing "terrorists"”
uk.reuters.com/article/wo...38420071028
My take on what is happening
“Creating the map of the New Middle East will cost 200 million lives: Turkey enters Iraq War”
www.chycho.com/
“Iran says documents show U.S. backing "terrorists"”
uk.reuters.com/article/wo...38420071028
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 5:14 AMUh...
The ONLY references that I am reading about any such plans come from a website with your name on it. Please show more valid sources or discontinue trying to pervade rumors. PEJ is not a valid news source. -
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 9:47 AMthe links in my post have the references ... this is the main one
"Plans for Redrawing the Middle East: The Project for a “New Middle East”"
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php -
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 6:32 PMIt's hardly worth responding to, but just for the record many of the so-called sources for the globalresearch.ca article are op-ed pieces. Opinion pieces. There's plenty of conflicting opinion pieces, they can be found in each of the 7500+ online news sources.
Not so say that we shouldn't interrogate the aims and outcomes of US involvement in the Middle East. But unfounded conspiracy theories, and articles based on them, don't tend to be the most productive ways of doing this. -
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 10:26 PMthe map was not created by global research ...
"The following map was prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy. (Map Copyright Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters 2006)."
and if Turkish soldiers getting killed and captured which has caused a crises in which Turkey is threatening to do a full scale incursion into Iraq is "hardly worth responding to" then i guess we better go back to watching some TV ... "hardly worth responding to"? on the Turkey tribe? ... guess no one here is a Turk?
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 5:59 AMThere's a Dilbert cartoon that I have hanging in my office. I don't know the names of the characters, but that's not important. It reads:
"Everyone in the world says that our website sucks."
"Everyone? Even Tibetan monks?"
"Well, maybe it was just one person."
"And you confused them with the entire world?"
Senci benci......
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 12:13 PMContext is everything.
Noone here is denying the psychological impact that a reduced-size Turkey would have on millions of Turks, nor indicating that we have no concern for the troubles of the modern Turkish state.
But the map you depict is not, as you claim, "what the US plans to do with Turkey," but instead, a map of a potential middle east if certain independence movements continue through to THEIR desired conclusion. The map of the projected Kurdistan is identical to maps that the PKK put on their website and have been published all over Turkey in Milliyet and other newspapers, but it's not an AMERICAN-designed map nor something American foreign policy is actively trying to create.
You've taken the map entirely out of context (a universal feature of reactionary Turkish nationalist web postings) and are blaming "us" for having some particular plans. Ayip ettin. -
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 2:15 PM"...but it's not an AMERICAN-designed map nor something American foreign policy is actively trying to create. "
you do not know this, you are assuming that the US is not planning this ... many assumed Afghanistan and Iraq were about 911 ... they were wrong
and as for "a universal feature of reactionary Turkish nationalist web postings"
funny :)
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Sun, November 4, 2007 - 10:56 PM
This is hardly what USA plans. As mentioned later in the thread its some USA colonal's idea... And very stupid :). Yet one thing is true: USA follows foreign policies which hurts both other nations and people of USA. Only a few rich person makes great profit of these policies... Sad. -
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 5:19 AMAtacan, the same could be said for many other countries. It's not just the US. -
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 10:51 AMNope, you are wrong Jenda. That can not be said for the other countries. USA is unique with it is destructive foreign politics. Please see:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ory_events
You might compare this to Imperialist England from the 18th/19th century, yet saying "many other" would be unjust considering there are more than hundred countries...
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Mon, November 5, 2007 - 8:18 PMANY country that can screw over another country to benefit itself, WILL. Do your homework and stop believing everything the media feeds you.
To limit your view that the United States can be evil, is concentrating all of your bile in one place instead of evenly distributing it. Look to China, Pakistan, England (think "colonisation" Africa and India), Portugal, Japan, Russia, Germany, Sudan, Cuba....the US is not privileged in these actions.
And no, I did not mean "more than hundred countries," when I said "many other." I'm surprised that your opinion of the US does not stop you from residing here.
By the way, I went to Turkey as a US ambassodor of a service organization whose goal is the advancement of international, understanding, and peace. -
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Tue, November 6, 2007 - 11:35 AM
Jenda you fail to see the difference between "can" and "does". Many other countries can follow destructive foreign policies. That is true and does not contradict with what I said earlier. But USA does follow destructive foreign policies, and many other countries does not. Sure if China becomes the biggest military and economical power (which is not the case right now), and USA looses its military and economical power(which is also not the case right now). We might debate how China is bullying USA and other countries. But right now that is not the case.
The case, right now, is this: Goverment of USA uses and has been using its military and economical power to sustain its hegomany over other countries. This hurts both citizens of USA and other nations.
I am glad you are not believing what corporate media feeds you, and do your homework to interpret world events. We sure need more people like you :).
thanks,
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Re: how do people feel about what the US plans to do with Turkey?
Fri, November 9, 2007 - 10:16 PMI think there's a couple things at play here.
1) There is more media attention on things America does than things any other nation in the world does. The world becomes more aware of destructive foreign (and domestic) policies that are done by the US than those of other countries. But other countries do destructive things, they just don't get as much attention in the media. I think it's good that there is at least some media attention on the bad things that America is doing, but warn that such attention in no way means that equally or even greater atrocities aren't being committed by many countries in many different places.
To give another example, Turkey started getting much more media attention, and "suddenly" everyone's hearing about the Armenians, Kurds, and other minorities with whom Turkey doesn't get along. The more media attention that Turkey gets, the "greater" the sense will be that Turkey is a big horrible country that kills lots of people, *regardless* of the actual numbers or the actual extent of the violence. All due to the amount of media coverage.
2) There's an economy of scale at play here. The war in Chechnya has had a greater negative impact on a greater percentage of Chechnyans than any war America has initiated has had, but Chechnya "seems" small, and few people have heard of it. Many are still not aware that over half the population of East Timor and basically the infrastructure of the entire island was wiped out by the Indonesian government, a calamity with a considerably higher casualty rate (percentage of the populace) than any war the U.S. has been involved in. Wars in Africa are effectively NEVER reported, but if you dig into the history of Chad, the Congo, Sudan, South Africa... the list goes on.
My point is, the U.S. can certainly not claim a monopoly share of the destruction being razed on the planet, even if it has the largest military with which to destroy things. It's actions, however, are the best documented.
You mention "hegemony." Perhaps you meant "control." Because if you mean "hegemony," as in Gramsci's concept of hegemony, then that implies that other countries are consenting to this power relation.
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