Cappadocia

topic posted Mon, May 18, 2009 - 4:19 PM by  JaiMee
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This is a naive question, but those caves where early Christians sunk however many layers into the tufa, with all those rolling rocks to defend the entrances. Who were they defending them against? And what happened to them?
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  • Re: Cappadocia

    Mon, May 18, 2009 - 7:30 PM
    The early Christians of Kapodokya were the victims of Roman persecution and Arab and early Seljuk raiders, but I think it's important to remember that people were carving those subterranean cities out of the tufa easily 1000 years before the Christians were.

    I don't know the precise history, but I think, in the long run, the Kapodokyans just got assimilated into the ebb, flow, triumph and turmoil of Ottoman and, later, Turkish life. Kapodokya straddles such a huge area, and it saw waves of Persian, Macedonian, Greek, Roman, Armenian, Byzantine, Arab, Crusader, Seljuk and Osmanli armies, tradesmen and pilgrims continually crossing through it. I wonder what language those early Christians spoke ... some form of ancient Greek, maybe? ... but I'm sure they began to gradually adopt Turkish as the sultans consolidated their rule on central Anatolia ... and so often language shapes cultural identity. The two times I went to Turkey, I met many, many friendly and interesting people, and I was always amazed at how far-flung their family histories were; some were of Albanian or Macedonian or Greek or Bulgarian ancestry, while others were Kurdish or Armenian or Laz ... but they spoke Turkish and considered themselves Turks first and foremost.
    • Re: Cappadocia

      Tue, May 19, 2009 - 9:07 AM
      It was mainly the early Christians hiding from the invasion of the Arabs. There are baptising basins and mission schools underground. I filmed it, during a guided tour in 2006, recording the explanations given by the local Turkish guide. Look! I added the music and the subtitles later. Enjoy.
      www.youtube.com/watch
      • Re: Cappadocia

        Tue, May 19, 2009 - 4:07 PM
        I'll enjoy it when youtube is legalized in Turkey, Canela, thanks.

        So, Arabs.
        Man, I thought the Arab invasion happened pretty fast. They must have had some forewarning.
        Did they survive the invasions? Did the Byzantines hold onto Cappadocia after 700?
        I've got so much research to do to understand.
        • Re: Cappadocia

          Tue, May 19, 2009 - 4:15 PM
          Ah, ok. I got it. The Byzantines held Cappadocia by paying tribute to the Arabs until (oddly enough) 1066. Shortly thereafter, Seljucks took over.
          What were their attitudes toward the monastic settlements?
          • Re: Cappadocia

            Wed, May 20, 2009 - 8:22 AM
            Towards the end (1453), the poor Byzantines were paying tribute to EVERYBODY that surrounded them, either in the form of weapons and mercenaries, or gold and silver, or crops and livestock, or the stewardship of previously conquered lands, or the hands in marriage of the daughters of their bishops and emperors. By the time that the Ottoman cannons began to bring down the Theodosian walls, vacant lots in Constantinople, once the sites of bejeweled churches and palaces, were used for growing corn and beans. So sad. I doubt that Byzantium had any hold, political, military, strategic (maybe religious) over Kapodokya.

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